Two real-estate-focused VA companies. One grew out of a single coaching ecosystem. The other is independent. Here’s the honest comparison.
Cyberbacker grew out of the Tom Ferry coaching world and has strong brand presence in that ecosystem. Their VAs are trained around Tom Ferry methodology, which speeds onboarding if that’s your system. Pricing typically runs $1,500–$2,000/month full-time.
PHVA is independent of any single coaching program. The Academy accepts 2% of applicants, founder Julian Lundgren is on every kickoff call, placements average 11 days, and full-time pricing is $900–$1,500/month. Coaching-system-agnostic by design — works for Tom Ferry, Mike Ferry, Buffini, ICC, Workman Success Systems, or no coaching at all.
Both place real estate VAs. The fit question is mostly about coaching alignment and price.
| Cyberbacker | PHVA | |
|---|---|---|
| Monthly Cost (full-time) | ~$1,500–$2,000 | $900–$1,500 |
| Service Model | Managed Placement | Managed Placement |
| Coaching Alignment | Tom Ferry–leaning | System-agnostic |
| Real Estate Specialization | Yes (primary focus) | Yes (only focus) |
| Time to Placement | 2–4 weeks (varies) | ~11 days |
| Acceptance Rate | Not publicly disclosed | 2% of Academy applicants |
| Average Retention | Not publicly disclosed | 18 months |
| Founder Access | Account manager only | Direct — Julian Lundgren |
| Replacement Guarantee | Yes (terms vary) | 30-day guarantee |
| Onboarding | Standardized, Tom Ferry–flavored | Real-estate-tuned, system-agnostic |
Pricing varies by role, tier, and contract length. Always confirm current pricing directly with each provider.
If you’re an active Tom Ferry coaching client — running TFI playbooks, using their CRM templates, attending Summit, working from Tom Ferry scripts — Cyberbacker speaks the language out of the box. You’ll spend less of week-1 explaining what’s expected because the cultural fit is already there.
Cyberbacker has a visible presence at major real estate conferences and partnerships within the coaching world. If brand-name vendor recognition matters when you’re explaining your team to investors, lenders, or recruits, Cyberbacker is more likely to register with people in coaching circles.
Cyberbacker has a deeper bench of trained VAs in some roles than PHVA does. For most real estate teams that doesn’t matter (you’re hiring 1–2 people, not 10), but if you need to place several at once, the pipeline depth is a real factor.
PHVA Academy training is built around the underlying mechanics of US real estate — transaction coordination, ISA outreach, listing prep, executive support, contract-to-close, MLS workflows — not around any one coaching system’s scripts or CRM templates. That means our VAs work natively for Tom Ferry, Mike Ferry, Buffini, ICC, Workman Success Systems, Jon Cheplak, Kyle Whissel’s framework, or no coach at all.
If you change coaches in year three, your VA doesn’t need to be retrained. If your coach’s scripts are evolving, your VA can adopt the new version without it being awkward. This is a quiet but real advantage over the long arc of a placement.
Julian Lundgren is on every kickoff call. He’s a former Minnesota Realtor who’s personally seen the patterns across 237 placements and applies them to your situation. At Cyberbacker’s scale, you’re assigned an account manager who’s competent and trained but is not the founder, doesn’t have the 360-view of every placement, and is split across many accounts.
PHVA Academy accepts 2% of applicants. The selection process tests English fluency, real estate workflow comprehension, written communication, attention to detail, and live problem-solving on a mock TC scenario. We don’t have visibility into Cyberbacker’s exact acceptance rate, but we can say: a tighter funnel produces a different kind of selectivity, and you’ll see it in week-one quality.
From contract signature to a productive day-one VA, PHVA averages 11 days. Cyberbacker timelines vary; for specialty real estate roles, the typical window is 2–4 weeks. For most teams, 1–2 weeks of difference matters — especially when the role you’re hiring for is already overdue.
PHVA full-time placements run $900–$1,500/month. Cyberbacker full-time placements typically run $1,500–$2,000/month. Across a 12-month placement, the price gap is roughly $7,000–$12,000. That’s a real number — enough to fund a separate part-time hire, a full year of CRM upgrades, or a Q4 lead-gen budget.
This isn’t to say the cheaper option is automatically better. If a Tom Ferry-aligned VA from Cyberbacker retains 2x longer because of the coaching-system fit, the math shifts. We’ll talk through your specific numbers on the call.
If something changes in the coaching ecosystem you’re tied into — a price hike, a methodology change, a personality split — you don’t want your back-office staffing to be downstream of that. PHVA is independent. We’re a real estate VA company first and last; we’re not a brand extension of a coaching program.
Always confirm current pricing directly — tiers and offerings change.
The honest read: Cyberbacker’s premium reflects their brand position and ecosystem ties. PHVA’s lower price reflects a smaller, founder-led operation that doesn’t carry sponsorship costs or coaching-network partnerships. Pay for whichever fit feels right for your situation.
We’ve placed for teams who came from Cyberbacker. Here’s the honest framework:
Your VA is performing well, you’re actively running Tom Ferry methodology, and the price feels worth it. Don’t switch a working placement just to save money — you’ll spend the difference on the friction of starting over.
If any of these sound familiar, book a call. We’ll do an honest assessment of whether PHVA is the better fit, whether the issue is a fixable scope problem, or whether Cyberbacker is the right home for your situation.
Yes. They’ve placed many real estate VAs and have a real track record. The honest comparison is that they’re built for a different shape of customer than PHVA — specifically, customers deeply embedded in the Tom Ferry coaching ecosystem.
Yes — the Tom Ferry method is well-documented (Summit recordings, TFI training materials, public scripts) and a well-trained VA can adopt it inside the first 30 days with the right onboarding cadence. We’ve placed VAs for Tom Ferry coaching clients before and the result has been comparable to a Cyberbacker placement at a lower monthly price.
Lower overhead. PHVA is a smaller operation without the conference sponsorships, coaching-network partnerships, or large enterprise sales team. We pay our VAs competitively (above-market for the Philippines) and the savings vs. Cyberbacker reflect operational scope, not underpaid talent.
The 30-day replacement guarantee is the trial. If your placement isn’t a fit in the first 30 days, we replace them at no extra cost. After 30 days, we’re month-to-month, so you’re never locked in. No setup fees, no buyout fees, no minimum-term penalties.
Yes. The Academy curriculum covers Follow Up Boss, KvCORE, BoomTown, Sierra Interactive, Lofty, and Real Geeks. We also have working familiarity with Wise Agent, Top Producer, and Chime. If you’re on a less common CRM, your Success Manager will tailor the first-week onboarding around it.
With PHVA, your VA can adopt the new version without retraining costs — they’re trained on real estate fundamentals, not on a single coach’s 2024 scripts. With Cyberbacker, you’d want to confirm directly whether their training adapts at the same speed.
Book a 15-minute call. We’ll ask about your team size, roles, current coaching system, and budget. If Cyberbacker is the better fit for your situation, we’ll tell you. No sales pressure — just an honest read.
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